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<div>'''Spammable terminal''' is the slang term for a [[terminal]] [[Action]] card which gives you a use for [[dead]] Action cards in your hand, namely other copies of themselves. The archetypes of this are {{Card|Remodel}} and {{Card|Vault}}.<br />
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== Examples ==<br />
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* Terminals with forced trashing from your hand<br />
** [[Dominion]]: {{Card|Remodel}} and [[Trasher#Remodelers|its relatives]]<br />
** [[Intrigue]]: {{Card|Trading Post}}<br />
** [[Seaside]]: {{Card|Salvager}}<br />
** [[Alchemy]]: {{Card|Transmute}}<br />
** [[Prosperity]]: {{Card|Trade Route}}, {{Card|Bishop}}<br />
** [[Hinterlands]]: {{Card|Jack of All Trades}}, {{Card|Trader}}<br />
** [[Dark Ages]]: {{Card|Mercenary}}, {{Card|Hermit}}, {{Card|Death Cart}}, {{Card|Count}}, {{Card|Altar}}<br />
** [[Guilds]]: {{Card|Stonemason}}<br />
* Terminals that require discarding<br />
** Intrigue: {{Card|Secret Chamber}}<br />
** Prosperity: {{Card|Vault}}<br />
** Cornucopia: {{Card|Horse Traders}}, {{Card|Young Witch}}<br />
** Hinterlands: {{Card|Embassy}}<br />
** Dark Ages: {{Card|Storeroom}}<br />
* Terminals that put a card from your hand on top of your deck<br />
** Intrigue: {{Card|Courtyard}}<br />
** Hinterlands: {{Card|Mandarin}}<br />
* {{Card|Count}} (you can top-deck or discard the other copy)<br />
* {{Card|Masquerade}} (you can pass or trash a dead card, though not always wise)<br />
* {{Card|Island}}<br />
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== Trivia ==<br />
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|Text=A category I refer to some that you guys don't so much is Remodel/Vault. I guess I don't have a catchy name for it. The category is, cards that if you draw two of them give you a use for the other one despite being terminal. Sets want a good number of Remodels/Vaults; it's a basic way to deal with the one-action-a-turn rule. To let you build basic different kinds of decks, you have terminals, Villages, cantrips, Remodels/Vaults.<br />
|Name=[[Donald X. Vaccarino]]<br />
|Source=[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5799.msg469143#msg469143]<br />
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|Text=They give you a use for dead actions. They are useful with a copy of themselves but also with other dead actions. You use them on themselves especially often but that's not because they are especially good at that, it just falls out of this being the card you can spam. Spammable terminals, there you go.<br />
|Name=[[Donald X. Vaccarino]]<br />
|Source=[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12673.msg469162#msg469162]<br />
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[[Category:Card categories]]</div>68.179.102.193https://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/TacticianTactician2013-12-12T20:49:45Z<p>68.179.102.193: /* Synergies/Combos */</p>
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<div>{{Infobox Card<br />
|name = Tactician<br />
|type1 = Action<br />
|type2 = Duration<br />
|aka = Tac<br />
|illustrator = Martin Hoffmann<br />
|text = Discard your hand. If you discarded any cards this way, then at the start of your next turn, +5 Cards; +1 Buy; and +1 Action.<br />
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'''Tactician''' is an [[Action]] and [[Duration]] card from [[Seaside]]. Tactician allows you to discard your hand this turn in order to essentially double your next turn: you get five extra [[card]]s in addition to one extra [[buy]] and one extra [[action]]. This ability allows players to take advantage of the fact that it is often better to have one great turn and one bad turn instead of two mediocre turns. By playing what is known as [[Double Tactician]], it is possible to play one Tactician every turn and use Actions that give you +{{Cost|}}, allowing the player to start every hand with 10 cards.<br />
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== FAQ ==<br />
=== Official FAQ ===<br />
* You wait until the start of your next turn to draw the 5 extra cards; you don’t draw them at the end of the turn you played Tactician. <br />
* Tactician stays out in front of you until the [[Clean-up phase]] of your next turn. <br />
* Because you must discard at least one card in order to gain the bonuses from Tactician, it is not possible to {{Card|Throne Room}} a Tactician to get + 10 cards, +2 Buys, and + 2 Actions. You will have to discard all of your cards with the first Tactician and you will not have cards left in your hand to trigger the card drawing, extra Buy, or extra Action when you play Tactician for the second time.<br />
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=== Other Rules clarifications ===<br />
* You can {{Card|Throne Room}} a Tactician, but you do not get any extra cards (as described above). But, unlike with other [[Duration]] cards, the Throne Room is not left in play with the Tactician, since the Tactician's effect is not doubled during your next turn. [http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=569.msg7972#msg7972]<br />
* Like all [[Duration]] cards, Tactician only stays in play during your [[Clean-up phase]] if it will do something next turn. So, if you play Tactician but do not discard any cards, it will have no effect next turn and should be cleaned up during the same turn's Clean-up phase. [http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1170.0]<br />
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== Strategy Article ==<br />
''[http://dominionstrategy.com/2012/04/10/seaside-tactician/ Original article] by theory<br />
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Tactician highlights the general Dominion principle that one good thing is usually better than two mediocre things. There are two very different ways to play Tactician: Single Tactician, which is how you’d normally think of the card, and [[Double Tactician]], a more advanced technique that sacrifices the ability to play [[Treasure]] in exchange for a ten-card hand every turn.<br />
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=== Single Tactician ===<br />
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Tactician is an easy solution to two big Dominion problems:<br />
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#Putting two pieces of a combo together. Your {{Card|Tournament}} doesn’t always find {{Card|Province}}, and your {{Card|King's Court}} doesn’t always meet a good Action to play it with. Tactician doesn’t technically “solve” this problem, but it sure makes it a lot easier to link up combo pieces. Use Tactician to backdoor into a {{Card|Treasure Map}} activation, or play multiple {{Card|Baron|Barons}} a turn, or connect your {{Card|Fool's Gold|Fool's Golds}}: all things that are much easier to do when you have 10 cards to work with instead of just 5.<br />
#Exploiting cards whose power increases proportionally with handsize. {{Card|Coppersmith}} isn’t going to get many Coppers to work with in a 5-card hand, but fares much better in a 10-card hand. {{Card|Forge}} gets to trash a ton of cards at once, instead of one or two at a time. {{Card|Crossroads}} can draw a lot more cards even if your deck doesn’t have that many green cards in it. {{Card|Bank}} grows tremendously in power (and gets the +Buy it so desperately needs). {{Card|Vault}}/{{Card|Secret Chamber}}/{{Card|Storeroom}} have more to discard. {{Card|Cellar}} and {{Card|Warehouse}} get a lot better when you have more choice.<br />
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These two considerations usually mean that the turn skipped by Tactician is worth it. As a bonus, Tactician is a nice counter to most attacks. {{Card|Ghost Ship}} and {{Card|Militia}} are mostly nullified; {{Card|Witch}} is still a must-buy, but her Curses are a lot easier to deal with when you’re working with 10 cards instead of 5.<br />
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Generally speaking, you won’t want more than one Tactician in your deck (perhaps a second one if your deck is very large). You don’t usually want to play a Tactician on your Tactician turn, because then you’re really going for Double Tactician (see below). Occasionally, you see some “mega-turn” decks that repeatedly play Tactician until they can finally draw what they need: building for {{Card|Throne Room}} x4 / {{Card|Bridge}} x4 is a good example.<br />
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Tactician is worst when you have very strong trashing and/or deck draw. If you can draw your whole deck, or almost all of it, every turn already, then there’s no point to skipping a turn to have a not-that-much-better second turn. Likewise, any card that depends on having something in your discard or deck does not fare well when your whole deck is in your hand: {{Card|Philosopher's Stone}} loses {{Cost|1}} automatically, and {{Card|Loan}}, {{Card|Venture}}, {{Card|Golem}}, and {{Card|Adventurer}} aren’t benefited by a large hand (and in fact are usually hurt). (A side note on Golem: although it’s possible to use it to get multiple Tacticians in play, for up to +50 Cards/+10 Actions/+10 Buys the next turn, in practice Golem simply does not work with Tactician.)<br />
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=== [[Double Tactician]] ===<br />
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[[File:Black Market.jpg|100px|thumb|right|{{Card|Black Market}} can be used in [[Double Tactician]] engines as a devastating [[Combo: Black Market and Tactician | combo]].]]<br />
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Playing a Tactician on your Tactician turn will ensure that you draw another ten cards next turn, but it means that you’re discarding all of your Treasure cards during the Action phase, before you can play them for money. {{Card|Black Market}}, of course is the giant, gaping loophole exception to this statement. [[Combo: Black Market and Tactician | The Black Market / Tactician combo]] technically counts as a Double Tactician engine, but is sufficiently different from most Double Tactician engines that I’ll just mention it here and move on.<br />
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In your average deck, not being able to play Treasures is kind of a big deal. But [[Double Tactician]], almost by definition, gets around this by earning money from Actions rather than Treasure. The goal is to play a bunch of Actions for a lot of money, Tactician away the rest of your hand, buy a Province/Colony, and hope to be able to repeat this every turn for the rest of the game.<br />
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Naturally, what kinds of Actions you can play is limited by the number of Actions you can play. Tactician gives you an extra Action, but you still need an Action in the end to play the second Tactician. So you have three options:<br />
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#Get tons of [[cantrip]] money, via {{Card|Peddler}}, {{Card|Market}}, {{Card|Bazaar}}, etc. {{Card|Conspirator}} needs a little help along the way but can be a cheap pseudo-{{Card|Grand Market}}.<br />
#Get tons of terminal money but have enough Actions to play them all. This is most easily done with {{Card|Fishing Village}}, but can also be replicated with other [[Villages]] or {{Card|King's Court}}. (Note that {{Card|Bazaar}} qualifies for both this and cantrip money.) Merchant Ship is one of the best sources of terminal money since it persists to next turn. Baron is quite nice, since it gives you +{{Cost|4}} per Action.<br />
#Get all the money you need from a single Action, via {{Card|Vault}} or {{Card|Secret Chamber}} (or Black Market/Tactician, as mentioned above). Secret Chamber needs a little help: in a 10-card hand, the Secret Chamber has 9 cards to discard, but has to save at least two of them (the Tactician, and at least one card for the Tactician to discard), meaning it can only generate {{Cost|7}} at most. Vault doesn’t need any help in a Province game, since it’ll draw up to 11 cards and be able to discard 9 of them for money. Both will require some assistance in a Colony game.<br />
Some things to keep in mind as you build this engine:<br />
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* It is absolutely critical for this engine to keep drawing that second Tactician. Without the consistent Tactician every turn, you can’t find all your Actions or that other Tactician, and it’ll cost you multiple turns for you to start the chain again. And as you start to green, the chance that you miss that second Tactician grows.<br />
** So a sifter like Warehouse or Cellar is a fantastic addition to the engine, and {{Card|Scheme}} just eliminates the problem altogether. ({{Card|Storeroom}} deserves special mention for being a sifter that also boosts economy.) Otherwise, you need to be mindful that you’re building in such a way that can handle adding green cards to the deck (Crossroads is a great example, as is using Haggler to buy Province + engine part).<br />
* Like all engines, this takes a while to set up, and if you aren’t efficient, you might get outraced (especially since your opponent has access to Tactician).<br />
* It’s a waste to spend extra turns building up your money to a level you don’t need. Ideally you will hit {{Cost|8}} or {{Cost|11}} exactly each turn; of course, more money is nice, but not if it costs you a turn in setting it up!<br />
* Adding an attack or cards that give VP is almost a given, because you’ll able to play them every single turn. Goons, of course, will do both and give you +{{Cost|2}}.<br />
* Some trashing often benefits this engine: it helps you set the engine up faster, and the key advantage of this deck is long-term consistency, one of the big weaknesses of a {{Card|Chapel}}-thinned deck.<br />
* {{Card|Outpost}} gives you even more opportunities: depending on the set, you might be able to have your Tactician trigger on your Outpost turn instead of your Tactician turn (thus allowing you to double-Tac without having to sacrifice your Treasures), or even go for the rare triple-Tac (where you get a Tactician benefit on your Outpost turns too).<br />
* No matter what, don’t forget: always leave at least one card for the Tactician to discard! It is always quite embarrassing to play Tactician with an empty hand and realize too late that there is no benefit to doing so…<br />
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As with most engines, double-Tac can be beaten in very fast sets (e.g., {{Card|Governor}}, which can seriously slow you down by force-feeding you Silvers) and sets with Cursers, which will clog up your deck too much to reliably trigger the double-Tac.<br />
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=== Synergies/Combos ===<br />
* All cards that benefit from big hands: {{Card|Cellar}}, {{Card|Bank}}, {{Card|Crossroads}}, {{Card|Forge}}, {{Card|Coppersmith}}, {{Card|Vault}}, etc.<br />
* All cards that depend on hitting some other card: {{Card|King's Court}}, {{Card|Fool's Gold}}, {{Card|Baron}}, {{Card|Tournament}}, {{Card|Treasure Map}}, etc.<br />
* Mega-turn decks<br />
* {{Card|Black Market}} ([[Combo: Black Market and Tactician]])<br />
* Double-Tactician requires Actions that produce +{{Cost|}} and benefits from +VP cards<br />
* Opponents’ handsize attacks<br />
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=== Antisynergies ===<br />
* Decks where you can easily draw the whole deck without Tactician’s help<br />
* {{Card|Menagerie}}<br />
* Diggers, or cards that depend on your deck/discard: {{Card|Venture}}, {{Card|Golem}}, {{Card|Adventurer}}, {{Card|Philosopher's Stone}}, {{Card|Rebuild}}<br />
* {{Card|Possession}} (requires you to keep track of where your opponent’s Possession(s) are, and when it is “safe” to Tactician)<br />
* Double-Tactician conflicts with Cursers<br />
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=== Games featuring Tactician ===<br />
* [http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201204/10/game-20120410-121305-2ac9b4e4.html Double Tactician barely beating single Tactician]<br />
* [http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201201/18/game-20120118-014142-1d9786b9.html Double Tactician with Spice Merchant and Vault]<br />
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwDPPVu-d5M YouTube video of jonts26 and tlloyd featuring Double Tactician]<br />
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== Trivia ==<br />
=== Play Two Tacticians In One Turn ===<br />
Though the play of a Tactician requires you to discard your hand, it is technically possible to play two (or more!) Tacticians in one turn. This can be done through the play of a {{Card|Golem}} and a (preferably non-terminal) draw card such as {{Card|Menagerie}} or {{Card|Laboratory}}. Players, discovering this trick for the first time, generate many discussions on the forums ([http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=334.0 1],[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=1112.0 2],[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=707.0 3],[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=660.0 4],[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=381.0 5],[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=569.0 6]). It is even possible to [http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201201/20/game-20120120-201529-c3a5402c.html use all 10 Tacticians in one turn].<br />
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=== Secret History ===<br />
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|Text=Once, this cost {{Cost|3}}, and had no anti-Throne Room clause (the "if you discarded" part). In development it cost {{Cost|4}}, and was singled out as one of the strongest cards. At {{Cost|5}} it still got plenty of play. The anti-Throne clause was added quite late. Tactician was looking strong but doable at that point, except for the Throne Room combo, which was ridiculous. It's sad to just nuke a combo like that, but that change didn't hurt the card much otherwise - okay, if you draw Tactican and four Festivals, you only play three of them - and this way we get to have the card at its best.<br />
|Name=[[Donald X. Vaccarino]]<br />
|Source=[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=117.0 The Secret History of the Seaside Cards]<br />
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