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| | [[Image:Wharf.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Wharf]], a Duration card.]] | | [[Image:Wharf.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Wharf]], a Duration card.]] |
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| − | '''Duration''' is a [[card type]] that was introduced in [[Seaside]] and revisited in later sets, starting with [[Adventures]]. Duration cards have orange frames, and usually have an effect on the turn after they are played. A Duration is not discarded from play until the Cleanup phase of the last turn on which it does something - usually the turn after the turn on which it is played. | + | '''Duration''' is a [[card type]] that was introduced in [[Seaside]] and revisited in later sets, starting with [[Adventures]]. Duration cards are cards which usually have an effect on the turn after they are played. A Duration is not discarded from play until the Cleanup phase of the last turn on which it does something - usually the turn after the turn on which it is played. |
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| − | The majority of Duration cards are [[Action]] cards, but a few belong to the [[Night]] type introduced in [[Nocturne]], and Duration [[Treasure]]s began to be introduced with {{card|Contract}} from [[Allies]]. | + | The majority of Duration cards are [[Action]] cards, but a few belong to the [[Night]] type introduced in [[Nocturne]]. |
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| | == List of Duration cards == | | == List of Duration cards == |
| − | * {{Cost|2}} {{Card|Cage}}, {{Card|Grotto}}, {{Card|Guardian}}, {{Card|Haven}}, {{Card|Lighthouse}}, {{Card|Search}} | + | * {{Cost|2}} {{Card|Guardian}}, {{Card|Haven}}, {{Card|Lighthouse}} |
| − | * {{Cost|3}} {{Card|Amulet}}, {{card|Astrolabe}}, {{Card|Caravan Guard}}, {{Card|Cargo Ship}}, {{Card|Church}}, {{Card|Dungeon}}, {{Card|Enchantress}}, {{Card|Fishing Village}}, {{Card|Gear}}, {{Card|Ghost Town}}, {{card|Importer}}, {{card|Monkey}}, {{card|Secluded Shrine}}, {{Card|Secret Cave}}, {{card|Siren}}, {{card|Stowaway}}, {{card|Taskmaster}} | + | * {{Cost|3}} {{Card|Amulet}}, {{Card|Caravan Guard}}, {{Card|Dungeon}}, {{Card|Enchantress}}, {{Card|Fishing Village}}, {{Card|Gear}}, {{Card|Ghost Town}}, {{Card|Secret Cave}} |
| − | * {{Cost|4}} {{card|Abundance}}, {{card|Blockade}}, {{Card|Cabin Boy}}, {{Card|Caravan}}, {{card|Conjurer}}, {{card|Flagship}}, {{card|Garrison}}, {{Card|Gondola}}, {{card|Landing Party}}, {{Card|Research}}, {{card|Royal Galley}}, {{card|Sailor}}, {{card|Tide Pools}}, {{Card|Village Green}}, {{card|Voyage}}, {{card|Rope}} | + | * {{Cost|4}} {{Card|Caravan}} |
| − | * {{cost|4*}} {{Card|Ghost}} | + | * {{cost|4*}} {{card|Ghost}} |
| − | * {{Cost|5}} {{Card|Archive}}, {{Card|Barge}}, {{Card|Bridge Troll}}, {{Card|Buried Treasure}}, {{Card|Cobbler}}, {{card|Contract}}, {{card|Corsair}}, {{Card|Crew}}, {{Card|Crypt}}, {{Card|Cutthroat}}, {{Card|Den of Sin}}, {{Card|Enlarge}}, {{Card|Frigate}}, {{card|Gatekeeper}}, {{Card|Haunted Woods}}, {{card|Highwayman}}, {{Card|Longship}}, {{Card|Mastermind}}, {{Card|Merchant Ship}}, {{Card|Outpost}}, {{Card|Pirate}}, {{Card|Quartermaster}}, {{card|Sea Witch}}, {{Card|Swamp Hag}}, {{Card|Tactician}}, {{card|Warlord}}, {{Card|Wharf}} | + | * {{Cost|5}} {{card|Archive}}, {{Card|Bridge Troll}}, {{Card|Cobbler}}, {{Card|Crypt}}, {{Card|Den of Sin}}, {{Card|Haunted Woods}}, {{Card|Merchant Ship}}, {{Card|Outpost}}, {{Card|Swamp Hag}}, {{Card|Tactician}}, {{Card|Wharf}} |
| − | * {{Cost|6}} {{Card|Captain}}, {{Card|Hireling}}, {{Card|Raider}}, {{card|Stronghold}} | + | * {{Cost|6}} {{Card|Hireling}}, {{Card|Raider}} |
| | * {{Cost|6*}} {{Card|Champion}} | | * {{Cost|6*}} {{Card|Champion}} |
| − | * {{cost|7*}} {{card|Amphora}}, {{card|Endless Chalice}}, {{card|Figurehead}}, {{card|Jewels}}
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| − | * {{cost|8}} {{Card|Prince}}<br>
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| | == Official Rules == | | == Official Rules == |
| − | <onlyinclude>* Duration cards are orange, and have abilities that affect future turns.
| + | * Seaside introduces Duration cards. These cards are orange, and say "Duration" on the bottom line, i.e. "Action – Duration." A Duration card does something after your turn. Leave the card in front of you until the [[Clean-up]] Phase of the last turn in which it does something (discard it before drawing for the following turn). So if the card says "Now and on your next turn," discard it during the Clean-up phase of your next turn. |
| − | * Duration cards are not discarded in Clean-up if they have something left to do [on a future turn]; they stay in play until the Clean-up of the last turn that they do something.
| + | * If you play or modify a Duration card with another card, that other card also stays in your play area until it is no longer doing anything. For example if you play {{Card|Throne Room}} on Merchant Ship, both cards stay in play until the Clean-up phase of your next turn. The Throne Room stays in play to remind you that you are getting the effect of Merchant Ship twice on that next turn. |
| − | * Additionally, if a Duration card is played extra times by a card such as [{{Card|Throne Room}}, {{Card|Scepter}}, {{Card|Mastermind}}, {{Card|Specialist}} or {{Card|Flagship}}], that card also stays in play until the Duration card is discarded, to track the fact that the Duration card was played extra times.
| + | * In order to keep track of which Duration cards are discarded during the current Clean-up phase and which Duration cards remain in play, place Duration cards in a separate row above the other [[Action|Actions]] and [[Treasure|Treasures]] played. When a Duration card has its last effect, move it to the row of cards that will be played and discarded during the current turn. |
| − | * Keep track of whether or not a Duration card was played on the current turn, such as by putting your cards into two lines</onlyinclude>.
| + | * Post-Seaside rules: Duration cards are orange, and have abilities that affect future turns. Duration cards are not discarded in Clean-up if they have something left to do; they stay in play until the Clean-up of the last turn that they do something. Additionally, if a Duration card is played multiple times by a card such as Throne Room, that card also stays in play until the Duration card is discarded, to track the fact that the Duration card was played multiple times. Keep track of whether or not a Duration card was played on the current turn, such as by putting your cards into two lines (older cards and this turn's cards). |
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| − | * [Duration cards that are Treasures, such as {{Card|Astrolabe}} or {{Card|Rope}},] are just like normal Treasures, except that they stay [[in play]] until they're done doing things, like other Durations do.
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| − | * Some Duration cards […] do something the "next time" a certain thing happens. That thing could happen the same turn, or many turns later; these may sit in play turn after turn until finally the thing happens. For example you could play a {{Card|Secluded Shrine}} and two {{Card|Copper|Coppers}}, buy a {{Card|Silver}}, and immediately trash two cards from your hand, discarding Secluded Shrine that turn. Or you could buy a {{Card|Stowaway}} instead, and leave Secluded Shrine in play for next turn.
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| | == Other rules clarifications == | | == Other rules clarifications == |
| − | In most cases, a Duration will stay in play until the Clean-up phase of your next turn. But a Duration card played in such a way as to have no effect next turn will be discarded from play the turn it was played. This may happen because the next-turn effects are optional and you chose not to activate them (e.g. {{card|Barge}}), or because they are conditional and that condition wasn't met (e.g., a {{card|Tactician}} that didn't discard any cards), or if you didn't follow the card's instructions at all (due to {{Card|Enchantress}} or [[Way]]s). A card like {{Card|Caravan}} that provides +Cards on your next turn stays in play even if you won't have enough cards in your deck to draw any next turn. A Duration played this turn that won't stay in play can be trashed with {{Card|Improve}}.
| + | A Haven, Tactician, Gear or Archive played without meeting the criteria for its next-turn effect (setting aside or discarding) will be discarded from play the turn it was played. An Outpost that fails to create an extra turn remains in play until the ''next'' Clean-up phase, whether your own, or that of the next player, since it checks whether or not it can create an extra turn after it's too late to clean it up. {{Card|Champion}} and {{Card|Hireling}} remain in play permanently. Archive may stay in play for two turns after the one it was played (if it set aside 3 cards). In all other cases, the Duration will stay in play until the Clean-up phase of your next turn. |
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| − | Some Durations can stay out for longer than one turn. Durations that set cards aside and return them to you one at a time (e.g. {{Card|Archive}} and {{Card|Crypt}}) remain in play until they run out of cards. Durations that let you take extra turns (e.g. {{Card|Outpost}} and {{Card|Voyage}}) stay in play until the Clean-up of its extra turn; if you take multiple extra turns at once, those cards could stay out for more than one turn. {{Card|Champion}}, {{Card|Hireling}}, {{Card|Prince}}, and {{card|Endless Chalice}} have effects that activate every turn, and therefore remain in play for the rest of the game.
| + | When you use a [[Throne Room variant]] on a Duration, it stays in play, even if multiplying the Duration's effect is not meaningful, such as Throning a Tactician, or Throning an Archive with 3 or fewer cards remaining in your deck. {{Card|Procession}} never stays in play, as any Duration it doubles gets trashed that turn anyway. |
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| − | Some Durations cards have an ability that is triggered by a certain condition being met, such as {{card|Abundance}}; these cards remain in play until Clean-up of the turn on which the condition is met, which may be the same turn on which they were played or a later turn. If the condition is never met, these cards will remain in play permanently as well.
| + | Effects that resolve at the start of your turn can be resolved in any order; this includes multiple plays of the same Duration card by a Throne Room variant. For example, if you played a Wharf and then a Throne Room on an Amulet last turn, on this turn you could choose to first gain a {{Card|Silver}} from the first Amulet play, then draw 2 cards from Wharf (perhaps triggering a [[reshuffle]] and maybe drawing that Silver), and then choose to trash a card from the second Amulet play, now that you have more cards to choose from. |
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| − | When you use a [[Throne Room variant]] on a Duration, that {{Card|Throne Room}} stays in play for as long as the Duration does. This is true even if the Duration is only going to have one effect on the next turn (e.g., if you play a {{card|Tactician}} twice with {{Card|Throne Room}}, or if you play a {{card|Barge}} twice with {{Card|Throne Room}} and opt for one same-turn effect and one next-turn effect). If the Duration leaves play at an unusual time (e.g. {{Card|Highwayman}} and {{Card|Conjurer}}) the {{Card|Throne Room}} still stays in play until Clean-up; and if you replay that Duration later on, the {{Card|Throne Room}} still leaves play. A card that plays a Duration only once (e.g. {{Card|Elder}} or {{Card|Vassal}}) never stays in play for multiple turns.
| + | Although the Seaside rules do not mention this explicitly, a Duration card still in play when the game ends is returned to its owner's deck before scoring; this can matter for [[alt-VP]] cards such as {{Card|Gardens}}. |
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| − | Effects that resolve at the start of your turn can be resolved in any order; this includes multiple plays of the same Duration card by a Throne Room variant. For example, if you both played a {{Card|Wharf}} and played a {{Card|Throne Room}} on an {{Card|Amulet}} last turn, on this turn you could choose to first gain a {{Card|Silver}} from the first {{Card|Amulet}} play, then draw 2 cards from {{Card|Wharf}} (perhaps triggering a [[reshuffle]] and maybe drawing that {{Card|Silver}}), and then choose to trash a card with the second {{Card|Amulet}} play.
| + | There are a couple of cards from outside Seaside and Adventures that have effects on subsequent turns: {{Card|Possession}} and {{Card|Prince}}. Despite their functional similarity, these are not Duration cards and the Duration rules do not apply to them: for example, unlike {{Card|Outpost}}, Possession is discarded before the extra turn it creates; and Prince is set aside to perform its future-turn functions, rather than remaining in the play area as Duration cards do. |
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| − | [[Command variant]]s stay in play for as long as the card they command ''would'' stay in play, if it were in play. So if you use a [[Command variant]] to play a Duration (e.g., {{card|Band of Misfits}}, an {{card|Estate}} after using {{event|Inheritance}} on a Duration card, or any Action card using {{way|Way of the Mouse}} to play a Duration), the Command variant stays in play as long as the Duration card would. And if a [[Command variant]] plays a [[Throne Room variant]] or another [[Command variant]] that plays a Duration, the [[Command variant]] stays in play for as long as the Duration does.
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| − | If the same Command variant plays multiple cards that would stay in play for different amounts of time, it stays in play until the last of those Duration cards would leave play. For example, if you use {{Card|Throne Room}} on {{Card|Overlord}}, and the {{Card|Overlord}} plays a {{Card|Swamp Hag}} and an {{Card|Archive}}), the {{Card|Overlord}} stays in play for 2 more turns (the {{Card|Throne Room}} doesn't stay in play for any turns; see below). And if on the 2nd turn of a {{Card|Captain}}, you make it play a {{Card|Throne Room}} that plays a Duration, the {{Card|Captain}} will stay in play for a 3rd turn in a row.
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| − | If you play a {{card|Throne Room}} that plays a ''non''-Duration card that stays in play (such as another {{Card|Throne Room}} that plays a Duration twice, or a {{Card|Band of Misfits}} that plays a Duration), the first {{Card|Throne Room}} does not stay out. On the other hand, if you {{Card|Mastermind}} a {{Card|Mastermind}}, it's possible to have a chain of {{Card|Mastermind}}s stuck in play for several turns if they keep playing Duration cards, because {{Card|Mastermind}} is itself a Duration.
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| − | It is occasionally possible to remove Duration cards from play before they are done resolving all their abilities. Although most of these methods have received errata to no longer be possible, you can still remove a Duration by playing a {{Card|Throne Room}} on a Duration, and then play the Duration once for its normal effect, and once as e.g. {{Way|Way of the Horse}}. In most cases, the Duration card's effects will still carry over to future turns, which you will have to remember. If any [[Throne Room variant]] or [[Command variant]] was supposed to stay in play because of the now-removed Duration card, it will be discarded from play during Clean-up.
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| − | However, there are also ways to remove a [[Throne Room variant]] or [[Command variant]] from play, even if they were supposed to stay in play with a Duration (e.g. you play a {{Card|Royal Galley}} that plays a {{Card|Throne Room}} that plays a Duration, and set aside the {{Card|Throne Room}}, or you play a {{Card|Procession}} that plays a {{Card|Band of Misfits}} that plays a Duration). In these cases, you'll have to remember how many Duration effects you'll get on your following turns.
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| − | It's also occasionally possible for a Duration card to remain in play during your Clean-up, but it stops having any effect before your next turn, meaning you'll discard it from play during another player's Clean-up. For example, if you play {{Card|Voyage}} and {{Card|Lich}} on the same turn, the {{Card|Voyage}} turn will get skipped. (Skipping a turn with {{Card|Lich}} happens between turns, and not during Clean-up, which is why {{Card|Voyage}} still stays in play during your turn.) Since you don't get a Clean-up phase during the skipped turn, the {{Card|Voyage}} will stay in play until the Clean-up of the next turn that happens (which could be another player's Clean-up).
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| − | Some non-Duration cards have effects for later (e.g. {{Card|Possession}} and {{Card|Lich}}). None of the rules above apply to these cards, and you'll have to remember their effects for future turns. For example, unlike {{Card|Outpost}}, {{Card|Possession}} is discarded before the extra turn it creates. And if you play it twice with {{Card|Throne Room}}, the {{Card|Throne Room}} doesn't stay in play.
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| − | == Prior Rules ==
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| − | In the past the rules around tracking cards that play Durations extra times were different.
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| − | * Originally, cards that played cards that played Durations extra times were left in play as well (e.g. Throne Room plays Throne Room that plays a Duration). This was changed via a ruling to only be the card that directly played the Duration extra times was left out.
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| − | * Also, originally the cards playing Durations extra times stayed in play only until ''they'' stopped doing something. This was changed with the release of [[Empires]] to have them always stay in play until the ''Duration'' left play instead. This affects situations where either the Duration leaves play earlier (e.g. {{Card|Procession}}) or the extra play(s) of the card didn't trigger the Duration effect (e.g. when playing {{Card|Tactician}} with a Throne Room under normal circumstances).
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| − | [[Plunder (expansion)]] has a sub-theme for its Duration cards: next time. Cards that do something the next time a certain thing happens. They just sit around in play turn after turn, waiting for that thing. The thing may immediately happen, so that they're discarded that turn. Or it may never happen.
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| | == Strategy == | | == Strategy == |
| − | On the turn on which they are played, Duration cards typically have weak effects (relative to their cost), or even detrimental effects; their strength comes in part from the fact that their effects on the next turn do not consume an Action to play or a card slot in your hand. For example, {{Card|Caravan}}, on the turn it is played, is a [[cantrip]] with no effect; on the next turn, however, it gives you a sixth card in your hand for free—thus playing a Caravan on one turn has the same effect as playing a {{Card|Laboratory}} on the next turn. The main exception to this principle is {{card|Tide Pools}}, which has a powerful immediate effect at the cost of a penalty on the next turn. | + | On the turn on which they are played, Duration cards typically have weak effects (relative to their cost), or even detrimental effects; their strength comes in part from the fact that their effects on the next turn do not consume an Action to play or a card slot in your hand. For example, {{Card|Caravan}}, on the turn it is played, is a [[cantrip]] with no effect; on the next turn, however, it gives you a sixth card in your hand for free—thus playing a Caravan on one turn has the same effect as playing a {{Card|Laboratory}} on the next turn. |
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| | Although Duration cards' next-turn effects are typically quite strong, they cost less than and are usually considered weaker than cards that have those same effects immediately—for instance, Caravan costs {{Cost|4}} while Laboratory costs {{Cost|5}}. This is in part because it's better to receive benefits earlier—playing a Caravan on the last turn of the game gives no benefit while Laboratory does—and in part because the fact that Durations stay in play for two turns is a disadvantage, since it means that they can actually be played less frequently. For instance, it's possible to draw an extra card every turn by having a single Laboratory and playing it every turn; in order to play a Caravan every turn, you have to have two copies of the card. | | Although Duration cards' next-turn effects are typically quite strong, they cost less than and are usually considered weaker than cards that have those same effects immediately—for instance, Caravan costs {{Cost|4}} while Laboratory costs {{Cost|5}}. This is in part because it's better to receive benefits earlier—playing a Caravan on the last turn of the game gives no benefit while Laboratory does—and in part because the fact that Durations stay in play for two turns is a disadvantage, since it means that they can actually be played less frequently. For instance, it's possible to draw an extra card every turn by having a single Laboratory and playing it every turn; in order to play a Caravan every turn, you have to have two copies of the card. |
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| | [[Reserve]] cards can play rather similarly to Durations; most have a weak effect now for a stronger effect later. The difference is that Reserves don't have to be triggered on your next turn; you can wait a few turns to use them, or even use some of them the same turn you play them. | | [[Reserve]] cards can play rather similarly to Durations; most have a weak effect now for a stronger effect later. The difference is that Reserves don't have to be triggered on your next turn; you can wait a few turns to use them, or even use some of them the same turn you play them. |
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| − | {{CardImage|Abundance}}{{CardImage|Amphora}}{{CardImage|Amulet}}{{CardImage|Archive}}{{CardImage|Astrolabe}}{{CardImage|Barge}}{{CardImage|Blockade}}{{CardImage|Bridge Troll}}{{CardImage|Buried Treasure}}{{CardImage|Cabin Boy}}{{CardImage|Cage}}{{CardImage|Captain}}{{CardImage|Caravan Guard}}{{CardImage|Caravan}}{{CardImage|Cargo Ship}}{{CardImage|Champion}}{{CardImage|Church}}{{CardImage|Cobbler}}{{CardImage|Conjurer}}{{CardImage|Contract}}{{CardImage|Corsair}}{{CardImage|Crew}}{{CardImage|Crypt}}{{CardImage|Cutthroat}}{{CardImage|Den of Sin}}{{CardImage|Dungeon}}{{CardImage|Enchantress}}{{CardImage|Endless Chalice}}{{CardImage|Enlarge}}{{CardImage|Figurehead}}{{CardImage|Fishing Village}}{{CardImage|Flagship}}{{CardImage|Frigate}}{{CardImage|Garrison}}{{CardImage|Gatekeeper}}{{CardImage|Gear}}{{CardImage|Ghost}}{{CardImage|Ghost Town}}{{CardImage|Gondola}}{{CardImage|Grotto}}{{CardImage|Guardian}}{{CardImage|Haunted Woods}}{{CardImage|Haven}}{{CardImage|Highwayman}}{{CardImage|Hireling}}{{CardImage|Importer}}{{CardImage|Jewels}}{{CardImage|Landing Party}}{{CardImage|Lighthouse}}{{CardImage|Longship}}{{CardImage|Mastermind}}{{CardImage|Merchant Ship}}{{CardImage|Monkey}}{{CardImage|Outpost}}{{CardImage|Pirate}}{{CardImage|Prince}}{{CardImage|Quartermaster}}{{CardImage|Raider}}{{CardImage|Research}}{{CardImage|Rope}}{{CardImage|Royal Galley}}{{CardImage|Sailor}}{{CardImage|Search}}{{CardImage|Sea Witch}}{{CardImage|Secluded Shrine}}{{CardImage|Secret Cave}}{{CardImage|Siren}}{{CardImage|Stowaway}}{{CardImage|Stronghold}}{{CardImage|Swamp Hag}}{{CardImage|Tactician}}{{CardImage|Taskmaster}}{{CardImage|Tide Pools}}{{CardImage|Village Green}}{{CardImage|Voyage}}{{CardImage|Warlord}}{{CardImage|Wharf}}
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| | * Russian: Длительность (pron. ''dlityelnost'') | | * Russian: Длительность (pron. ''dlityelnost'') |
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| − | ===Donald X.'s remarks===
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| − | ==== Development ====
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| − | |Text=<p>For Seaside I was still interacting with Valerie and Dale. Valerie in particular did not like Duration cards. So the push was to limit how many there were, not come up with more things for them to do. In fact {{Card|Haven}} was out of the set for a while, and made it back in very late when it turned out there was room for a 26th card (and that was a fine card that had been tested; Valerie had felt it was too similar to {{Card|Caravan}}). | + | |Text=For Seaside I was still interacting with Valerie and Dale. Valerie in particular did not like Duration cards. So the push was to limit how many there were, not come up with more things for them to do. In fact Haven was out of the set for a while, and made it back in very late when it turned out there was room for a 26th card (and that was a fine card that had been tested; Valerie had felt it was too similar to Caravan). |
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| − | There was an attack that hit other players' turns (Tax Collector, made cards cost {{Cost|1}} more), that left (well turned into {{Card|Cutpurse}}) because it would have left play at a different time from other Duration cards, (end of the prev. player's turn) and Valerie didn't like that. Late in the going I realized I could save {{Card|Lighthouse|oi=2}} by having it produce resources on your next turn, and of course that same solution could have been used for attacks; but Tax Collector had already turned into Cutpurse and again there was anti-demand for new Duration cards. | + | There was an attack that hit other players' turns (Tax Collector, made cards cost {{Cost|1}} more), that left (well turned into {{Card|Cutpurse}}) because it would have left play at a different time from other Duration cards, (end of the prev. player's turn) and Valerie didn't like that. Late in the going I realized I could save Lighthouse by having it produce resources on your next turn, and of course that same solution could have been used for attacks; but Tax Collector had already turned into Cutpurse and again there was anti-demand for new Duration cards. |
| | |Name=[[Donald X. Vaccarino]] | | |Name=[[Donald X. Vaccarino]] |
| | |Source=[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11958.msg477977#msg477977 Groundless speculation about the 2015 expansion] | | |Source=[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=11958.msg477977#msg477977 Groundless speculation about the 2015 expansion] |
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| − | ==== Throne Rooms staying in play ====
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| − | In retrospect it would have been better if duration cards not in play didn't do anything (and, if cards you couldn't put into play also didn't do anything). That clears up {{Card|Procession|oi=2|Proce}}{{Card|Procession|ssion}}.
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| − | |Source=[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5799.msg846832#msg846832 Interview with Donald X.]
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| − | |Text=[{{Way|Way of the Butterfly}}, {{Way|Way of the Horse}}, and {{Way|Way of the Turtle}}] all existed in January for me. The best solution is still to make the change that means {{Card|Throne Room|Throne}}/{{Card|Feast}} no longer works and people quit the game. "If this isn't a Duration card" was too awful for the Ways. They could have had a general rule that durations didn't get to use Ways; maybe that's still worth considering for a later printing, but they didn't get it. There had to be new cards and those new cards got to exist.
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| − | ==== Past lack of Treasure-Durations ====
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| − | |Text=By default they're trouble. The duration part has to be conditional on the card being in play, to avoid more problems ala <span class="card-popup">[[Bonfire#Versions|Bonfire]]<span class="noprint">[[File:BonfireOld2.jpg|320px|link=]]</span></span> / Durations. It's doable, in the same way that {{Card|Crown}} exists despite it seeming like there would never be an Action - Treasure (to be fair {{Card|Crown}} does generate lots of questions). But, it would take something really compelling.
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| − | |Source=[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5799.msg826707#msg826707 Interview with Donald X., March 2020]
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| − | Originally all sets from {{Set|Seaside}} on were going to have Duration cards; {{Card|Fishing Village}} for example was from {{Set|Prosperity}}. This didn't happen because of how things went down for Valerie with {{Set|Seaside}}; she didn't like Duration cards, and spent a couple pages on the rules for them. My rulebook only spends a short paragraph on Durations, and I like them, and they are very popular with players. They open up card possibilities significantly, especially for Attacks. So, I'm happy having a couple nice ones in an expansion like that, and always have been. And it's no trouble, it's easy to make them.
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| − | |Name=[[Donald X. Vaccarino]]
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| − | |Source=[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5799.msg874639#msg874639 Interview with Donald X., August 2021]
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