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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>| Ingenieurin (Note: explicitly feminine) || {{CardPNGImage|Engineer_German|German language Engineer}} || {{CardLangVersionImage|German|d=1}} || Nimm eine Karte, die bis zu {{Cost|4}} kostet.<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><br></del>Du darfst diese <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Ingenieurin </del>entsorgen.<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><br></del>Wenn du das tust<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">:<br>Nimm </del>eine Karte, die bis zu {{Cost|4}} kostet.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>| Ingenieurin<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><br> </ins>(Note: explicitly feminine) || {{CardPNGImage|Engineer_German|German language Engineer <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">2016 by ASS</ins>}} || {{CardLangVersionImage|German|d=1}} || Nimm eine Karte, die bis zu {{Cost|4}} kostet. Du darfst diese <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Karte </ins>entsorgen. Wenn du das tust<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, nimm </ins>eine Karte, die bis zu {{Cost|4}} kostet. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">|| 2.&nbsp;Edition<br>(2021)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>| Inżynier || {{CardLangVersionImage|Polish}} || || Dodaj kartę nie droższą niż {{Cost|4}}. <br> Możesz wyrzucić tego Inżyniera na śmietnisko. <br> Jeśli to zrobisz, dodaj kartę nie droższą niż {{Cost|4}}.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>| Inżynier || {{CardLangVersionImage|Polish}} || || Dodaj kartę nie droższą niż {{Cost|4}}. <br> Możesz wyrzucić tego Inżyniera na śmietnisko. <br> Jeśli to zrobisz, dodaj kartę nie droższą niż {{Cost|4}}. <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">||</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>It's not "it's awful that this pile runs out," it's "it's awful that you can choose to run out this pile incidentally." What you want is {{Card|Caravan}}<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">s</del>. But instead of gaining a <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">{{Card|</del>Caravan<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">}}</del>, you trash the <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">workshop and gain a </del>{{Card|<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Caravan</del>}} and another workshop. You're running out the workshops as this random extra thing you're allowed to do on top of what you actually wanted, which was gaining Caravans.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><p></ins>It's not "it's awful that this pile runs out," it's "it's awful that you can choose to run out this pile incidentally." What you want is {{Card|Caravan<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">|Caravans</ins>}}. But instead of gaining a Caravan, you trash the {{Card|<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Workshop|workshop</ins>}} <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">and gain a Caravan </ins>and another workshop. You're running out the workshops as this random extra thing you're allowed to do on top of what you actually wanted, which was gaining Caravans.<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"></p></ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>{{Quote|Text= Ah yes, so many cards tried out for Engineer's slot. Here's an {{Card|Expand}} with on-use {{Debt}} that tried to dodge {{Card|Remodel}}/{{Debt}} issues by doing something different if you had any {{Debt}}. A +{{Cost|1}} {{Card|Remodel}} that had you draw 2 cards when you gained or trashed it; I still like the idea of a {{Card|Remodel}} that does something when gained/trashed. A +{{Cost|1}} {{Card|Remodel}} that, when trashed, gave you a {{Cost|5}}. Yowza. Another one of these, gaining you a copy of a card in play with some limits to try not to go nuts. Another one with different limits, man. Okay here are 3 that involve putting {{VP on the pile. One is just a {{Card|Workshop}} that accumulates {{VP}} you can trash it to get; one counts down, it's reset to 5 {{VP}} when a copy is gained, and when played gains a card for the number of {{VP}} on the pile and then gives you a {{VP}} from the pile, that was fun to try; and a {{Card|Workshop}} that adds or takes {{VP}} based on how much the card you gained cost. Finally, the one that held the slot for the longest out of these, a {{Card|Workshop}} that turns into {{Card|Remodel}} if a pile is empty. That seemed okay and like I could live with it if I couldn't do better, but I like Engineer better.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div>{{Quote|Text= Ah yes, so many cards tried out for Engineer's slot. Here's an {{Card|Expand}} with on-use {{Debt}} that tried to dodge {{Card|Remodel}}/{{Debt}} issues by doing something different if you had any {{Debt}}. A +{{Cost|1}} {{Card|Remodel}} that had you draw 2 cards when you gained or trashed it; I still like the idea of a {{Card|Remodel}} that does something when gained/trashed. A +{{Cost|1}} {{Card|Remodel}} that, when trashed, gave you a {{Cost|5}}. Yowza. Another one of these, gaining you a copy of a card in play with some limits to try not to go nuts. Another one with different limits, man. Okay here are 3 that involve putting {{VP<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">}} </ins>on the pile. One is just a {{Card|Workshop}} that accumulates {{VP}} you can trash it to get; one counts down, it's reset to 5 {{VP}} when a copy is gained, and when played gains a card for the number of {{VP}} on the pile and then gives you a {{VP}} from the pile, that was fun to try; and a {{Card|Workshop}} that adds or takes {{VP}} based on how much the card you gained cost. Finally, the one that held the slot for the longest out of these, a {{Card|Workshop}} that turns into {{Card|Remodel}} if a pile is empty. That seemed okay and like I could live with it if I couldn't do better, but I like Engineer better.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{Quote|Text= Ah yes, so many cards tried out for Engineer's slot. Here's an {{Card|Expand}} with on-use {{Debt}} that tried to dodge {{Card|Remodel}}/{{Debt}} issues by doing something different if you had any {{Debt}}. A +{{Cost|1}} {{Card|Remodel}} that had you draw 2 cards when you gained or trashed it; I still like the idea of a {{Card|Remodel}} that does something when gained/trashed. A +{{Cost|1}} {{Card|Remodel}} that, when trashed, gave you a {{Cost|5}}. Yowza. Another one of these, gaining you a copy of a card in play with some limits to try not to go nuts. Another one with different limits, man. Okay here are 3 that involve putting {{VP on the pile. One is just a {{Card|Workshop}} that accumulates {{VP}} you can trash it to get; one counts down, it's reset to 5 {{VP}} when a copy is gained, and when played gains a card for the number of {{VP}} on the pile and then gives you a {{VP}} from the pile, that was fun to try; and a {{Card|Workshop}} that adds or takes {{VP}} based on how much the card you gained cost. Finally, the one that held the slot for the longest out of these, a {{Card|Workshop}} that turns into {{Card|Remodel}} if a pile is empty. That seemed okay and like I could live with it if I couldn't do better, but I like Engineer better.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">I had a couple early games that were stupid because of this card. Then for a while the card seemed fine. But we started to see the bad cases more and it was clear that one reason we hadn't been seeing them was because we hadn't realized how good the card was.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;"><div><ins style="color: red; font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It's not "it's awful that this pile runs out," it's "it's awful that you can choose to run out this pile incidentally." What you want is {{Card|Caravan}}s. But instead of gaining a {{Card|Caravan}}, you trash the workshop and gain a {{Card|Caravan}} and another workshop. You're running out the workshops as this random extra thing you're allowed to do on top of what you actually wanted, which was gaining Caravans.</ins></div></td></tr>
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