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The '''Stop-Moving rule''' is a rule covering when an effect is allowed to move a card. It supersedes the [[Lose Track rule]] and was introduced as part of the [[Dominion 2019 Errata and Rules Tweaks]]. | The '''Stop-Moving rule''' is a rule covering when an effect is allowed to move a card. It supersedes the [[Lose Track rule]] and was introduced as part of the [[Dominion 2019 Errata and Rules Tweaks]]. | ||
− | As with the rule version prior to this renamed one, it only pertains to card ''movement''. | + | As with the rule version prior to this renamed one, it only pertains to card ''movement''. All other effects related to a card that has been moved elsewhere first by another effect still happen, as long as they are not contingent on the movement that was prevented. |
− | == Official | + | == Official Rules == |
* An effect can move a card if it specifies where the card is coming from, or if the effect put the card where it is now. | * An effect can move a card if it specifies where the card is coming from, or if the effect put the card where it is now. | ||
* If a card isn't where the effect would expect it to be, or has moved away from there and then back, it can't move the card. | * If a card isn't where the effect would expect it to be, or has moved away from there and then back, it can't move the card. | ||
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** Gained cards are expected to be where they were gained to, even if this isn't the discard pile. | ** Gained cards are expected to be where they were gained to, even if this isn't the discard pile. | ||
[[Image:LoseTrackEx3.jpg|thumb|right|543px|While resolving [[Replace|Replacing]] an [[Estate]] into a [[Skulk]], the gained Skulk in the discard pile, due to its effect, covers itself up with a [[Gold]]. With the changed rule, Replace will then still succeed in moving the Action card onto your deck.]] | [[Image:LoseTrackEx3.jpg|thumb|right|543px|While resolving [[Replace|Replacing]] an [[Estate]] into a [[Skulk]], the gained Skulk in the discard pile, due to its effect, covers itself up with a [[Gold]]. With the changed rule, Replace will then still succeed in moving the Action card onto your deck.]] | ||
− | * | + | * Cards in discard piles can be moved even if covered up by other cards; cards on top of a deck can't be moved once covered up. |
− | ==Other | + | ==Other Rules clarifications== |
* When you need to get a specific card from your discard pile, if it's on top, you take it without looking through your discard pile. If it's not on top, you can look through your discard pile to get the card. When you get to choose a card from your discard pile, you can look through it even if you know you will choose the top card. | * When you need to get a specific card from your discard pile, if it's on top, you take it without looking through your discard pile. If it's not on top, you can look through your discard pile to get the card. When you get to choose a card from your discard pile, you can look through it even if you know you will choose the top card. | ||
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These cards have abilities that move themselves or other cards. It is not comprehensive; for example, cards that move other cards from their piles, from your hand, and from mats are not included. Cards in italics have been [[Removed cards|removed]]. | These cards have abilities that move themselves or other cards. It is not comprehensive; for example, cards that move other cards from their piles, from your hand, and from mats are not included. Cards in italics have been [[Removed cards|removed]]. | ||
− | ===Cards that move cards out of play | + | ===Cards that move cards out of play=== |
* {{Card|Corsair}} | * {{Card|Corsair}} | ||
− | * {{Card|Treasury}} ( | + | * {{Card|Treasury}} (2nd ed.) |
− | + | ||
* {{Card|Mint}} | * {{Card|Mint}} | ||
− | * | + | * {{Card|Mandarin}} |
− | + | ||
− | + | ||
* {{Card|Procession}} | * {{Card|Procession}} | ||
* {{Card|Counterfeit}} | * {{Card|Counterfeit}} | ||
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* {{Card|Crypt}} | * {{Card|Crypt}} | ||
* {{Card|Monastery}} | * {{Card|Monastery}} | ||
+ | * {{Card|Improve}} | ||
* {{Way|Way of the Butterfly}} | * {{Way|Way of the Butterfly}} | ||
* {{Way|Way of the Horse}} | * {{Way|Way of the Horse}} | ||
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* [[One-shot]]s | * [[One-shot]]s | ||
− | ===Cards that move cards | + | ===Cards that move cards when they are discarded from play=== |
− | * {{Card|Treasury|oi=2}} ( | + | * {{Card|Treasury|oi=2}} (1st ed.) |
* {{Card|Alchemist}} | * {{Card|Alchemist}} | ||
− | + | * {{Card|Scheme}} | |
− | * {{Card|Scheme | + | * {{Card|Hermit}} |
− | * {{Card|Hermit | + | |
* [[Traveller]]s | * [[Traveller]]s | ||
− | |||
* {{Way|Way of the Frog}} | * {{Way|Way of the Frog}} | ||
* {{Artifact|Horn}} | * {{Artifact|Horn}} | ||
* {{Card|Merchant Camp}} | * {{Card|Merchant Camp}} | ||
* {{Card|Tent}} | * {{Card|Tent}} | ||
− | * {{Card|Prince|oi=2}} ( | + | * {{Card|Prince|oi=2}} (pre-errata) |
− | + | ||
===Cards that move discarded cards=== | ===Cards that move discarded cards=== | ||
* {{Card|Vassal}} | * {{Card|Vassal}} | ||
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− | |||
* {{Card|Warrior}} | * {{Card|Warrior}} | ||
* {{Card|Faithful Hound}} | * {{Card|Faithful Hound}} | ||
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===Cards that move gained cards === | ===Cards that move gained cards === | ||
− | + | * {{Card|Sailor}} | |
+ | * {{Card|Watchtower}} | ||
+ | * {{Card|Tiara}} | ||
+ | * ''{{Card|Royal Seal}}'' | ||
+ | * {{Card|Inn}} | ||
+ | * {{Card|Trader}} (post-errata) | ||
+ | * {{Event|Travelling Fair}} | ||
+ | * {{Card|Villa}} | ||
+ | * {{Card|Tracker}} | ||
+ | * {{Card|Changeling}} | ||
+ | * {{Card|Cargo Ship}} | ||
+ | * {{Project|Innovation}} | ||
+ | * {{Card|Sleigh}} | ||
+ | * {{Card|Gatekeeper}} | ||
+ | * {{Way|Way of the Seal}} | ||
+ | * {{Card|Bauble}} | ||
+ | * {{Ally|City-state}} | ||
+ | * {{Ally|Trappers' Lodge}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | This doesn't include any cards that are gained directly to somewhere other than the discard pile. See the [[No Visiting rule]]. | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Card|Replace}}, {{Event|Summon}}, {{Event|Reap}}, and {{Card|Hill Fort}} gain a card and then move it after it's been gained, which means you cannot choose to move them before {{Card|Gatekeeper}} moves it. | ||
===Cards that move trashed cards=== | ===Cards that move trashed cards=== | ||
* ''{{Card|Thief}}'' | * ''{{Card|Thief}}'' | ||
* {{Card|Possession}} | * {{Card|Possession}} | ||
− | * | + | * {{Card|Noble Brigand}} |
− | + | ||
* {{Card|Fortress}} | * {{Card|Fortress}} | ||
* {{Card|Lich}} | * {{Card|Lich}} | ||
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==List of cards that prevent cards from moving== | ==List of cards that prevent cards from moving== | ||
These cards stop other cards from moving, so they may not be where an effect would expect it to be. | These cards stop other cards from moving, so they may not be where an effect would expect it to be. | ||
− | * {{Card|Band of Misfits}} | + | * {{Card|Band of Misfits}} |
− | * {{Event|Inheritance}} | + | * {{Event|Inheritance}} |
* {{Card|Overlord}} | * {{Card|Overlord}} | ||
* {{Card|Necromancer}} | * {{Card|Necromancer}} | ||
* {{Card|Captain}} | * {{Card|Captain}} | ||
* {{Way|Way of the Mouse}} | * {{Way|Way of the Mouse}} | ||
− | * | + | * <span class="card-popup">[[Prince]]<span class="noprint">[[File:PrinceDigital.jpg|200px|link=]]</span></span> (post-errata) |
== Trivia == | == Trivia == | ||
− | Even though the rule got renamed, the only actual change from the 2019 errata is that you can still move a card that | + | Even though the rule got renamed, the only actual change from the 2019 errata is that you can still move a card that was covered up in a discard pile. |
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|Text= Looking back at the changes today, the one thing I feel like, why did I do that, is renaming "lose track" to "stop moving." The people who know "lose track" by name don't get anything out of this, and when we talk about "where a card expects to be," saying "it loses track" is still natural, even though everybody knows where the card is. | |Text= Looking back at the changes today, the one thing I feel like, why did I do that, is renaming "lose track" to "stop moving." The people who know "lose track" by name don't get anything out of this, and when we talk about "where a card expects to be," saying "it loses track" is still natural, even though everybody knows where the card is. |