Talk:Blue dog rule
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| − | The description of the "Blue dog rule" is wrong. It's a ruling on what to do when an ability (not a card) has an effect based on a card it's gaining, but the card is never actually gained. The phrase " | + | The description of the "Blue dog rule" is wrong. It's a ruling on what to do when an ability (not a card) has an effect based on a card it's gaining, but the card is never actually gained. The phrase "either on a card it's gaining" is wrong. Likewise the list of cards should not include cards that change the gaining destination of the gained card. The fact that Mine doesn't put the gained card in your hand when you Trader it for a Silver was never a question that was resolved by the "Blue dog" ruling. It was clear before that. The "blue dog" ruling was about whether "it" in an ability refers to (A) the card you chose to gain or (B) the card you actually gained. If you reveal Trader, A means "it" still refers to the card you chose, but B means "it" refers to nothing, because you didn't gain a card. |
The fact that the Silver from Trader will not be put in your hand/deck from Mine/Bureaucrat etc was made clear by Donald (and also by the rulebook) way before the "blue dog" discussion, simply from the fact that Trader cancels the original gain and triggers a new gain instead. That was clear, but it was not enough to answer the question of what happens when you Ironworks a card and then reveal Trader. If cards like Mine had been in question by the "blue dog" discussion, then going by A, you would reveal Trader to gain a Silver to your discard pile, then put the Treasure you chose from Mine in your hand. You would effectively put a Treasure from supply in your hand without gaining it in addition to gaining a Silver from Trader. Of course, this was never in question; Mine was never ruled on by the "blue dog" ruling. | The fact that the Silver from Trader will not be put in your hand/deck from Mine/Bureaucrat etc was made clear by Donald (and also by the rulebook) way before the "blue dog" discussion, simply from the fact that Trader cancels the original gain and triggers a new gain instead. That was clear, but it was not enough to answer the question of what happens when you Ironworks a card and then reveal Trader. If cards like Mine had been in question by the "blue dog" discussion, then going by A, you would reveal Trader to gain a Silver to your discard pile, then put the Treasure you chose from Mine in your hand. You would effectively put a Treasure from supply in your hand without gaining it in addition to gaining a Silver from Trader. Of course, this was never in question; Mine was never ruled on by the "blue dog" ruling. | ||
Revision as of 13:04, 22 February 2016
This article has several mistakes.
The description of the "Blue dog rule" is wrong. It's a ruling on what to do when an ability (not a card) has an effect based on a card it's gaining, but the card is never actually gained. The phrase "either on a card it's gaining" is wrong. Likewise the list of cards should not include cards that change the gaining destination of the gained card. The fact that Mine doesn't put the gained card in your hand when you Trader it for a Silver was never a question that was resolved by the "Blue dog" ruling. It was clear before that. The "blue dog" ruling was about whether "it" in an ability refers to (A) the card you chose to gain or (B) the card you actually gained. If you reveal Trader, A means "it" still refers to the card you chose, but B means "it" refers to nothing, because you didn't gain a card.
The fact that the Silver from Trader will not be put in your hand/deck from Mine/Bureaucrat etc was made clear by Donald (and also by the rulebook) way before the "blue dog" discussion, simply from the fact that Trader cancels the original gain and triggers a new gain instead. That was clear, but it was not enough to answer the question of what happens when you Ironworks a card and then reveal Trader. If cards like Mine had been in question by the "blue dog" discussion, then going by A, you would reveal Trader to gain a Silver to your discard pile, then put the Treasure you chose from Mine in your hand. You would effectively put a Treasure from supply in your hand without gaining it in addition to gaining a Silver from Trader. Of course, this was never in question; Mine was never ruled on by the "blue dog" ruling.
The only abilities that I've identifies that can invoke the "blue dog" rule are these: Ironworks, Messenger, Seaway, Horn of Plenty, Summon Two of these are missing from the list. --187.133.138.18 11:30, 22 February 2016 (EST)
