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* {{Debt}} amounts are something different from {{Cost}}. | * {{Debt}} amounts are something different from {{Cost}}.  Math involving {{Cost}} amounts does not affect {{Debt}} amounts. | ||
* [Some cards look for a cost in a range.] | * [Some cards look for a cost in a range.] | ||
** ''Empires:''  {{Debt|4}} is not "up to {{Cost|4}}."  {{Debt|4}} is not more than {{Cost|4}}  and {{Cost|4}} is not more than {{Debt|4}};  both have something the other lacks. | ** ''Empires:''  {{Debt|4}} is not "up to {{Cost|4}}."  {{Debt|4}} is not more than {{Cost|4}}  and {{Cost|4}} is not more than {{Debt|4}};  both have something the other lacks. | ||
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** ''Empires:''  An amount of {{Cost}} and {{Debt}} is only larger than another if both the {{Cost}} and {{Debt}} amounts are larger, or one is larger and one the same. Amounts that do not specify {{Cost}} have {{Cost|0}}, and amounts that do not specify {{Debt}} have {{Debt|0}} (including all previous Dominion card costs). | ** ''Empires:''  An amount of {{Cost}} and {{Debt}} is only larger than another if both the {{Cost}} and {{Debt}} amounts are larger, or one is larger and one the same. Amounts that do not specify {{Cost}} have {{Cost|0}}, and amounts that do not specify {{Debt}} have {{Debt|0}} (including all previous Dominion card costs). | ||
** <p>''Rising Sun:''  A card costing {{Debt|8}} costs more than one costing {{Debt|6}}, just like one costing {{Cost|8}} costs more than one costing {{Cost|6}}.  However debt {{Cost}} and are not comparable. With a card costing {{Cost|4}} and a card costing {{Debt|6}}, neither costs more than the other.  {{Debt|6}} does however cost more than {{Cost|0}}; there is an implicit {{Cost|0}} in all pure {{Debt}} costs, so {{Debt|6}} costs the same amount of {{Cost}} as {{Cost|0}}, and more {{Debt}}.</p> | ** <p>''Rising Sun:''  A card costing {{Debt|8}} costs more than one costing {{Debt|6}}, just like one costing {{Cost|8}} costs more than one costing {{Cost|6}}.  However debt {{Cost}} and are not comparable. With a card costing {{Cost|4}} and a card costing {{Debt|6}}, neither costs more than the other.  {{Debt|6}} does however cost more than {{Cost|0}}; there is an implicit {{Cost|0}} in all pure {{Debt}} costs, so {{Debt|6}} costs the same amount of {{Cost}} as {{Cost|0}}, and more {{Debt}}.</p> | ||
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| <h5>Examples</h5> | | <h5>Examples</h5> |
Revision as of 10:52, 30 September 2024
Debt (represented by the symbol cost for some cards and Events in Empires and Rising Sun. It allows the buyer to take tokens instead of paying the full cost of the card. Players who have tokens may not buy cards, Events, or Projects. tokens can be removed from a player by paying per token at any time during their turn.
) is an alternateA cost in
is orthogonal to a cost in a ; cards with in their cost do not cost less or more than cards with a cost. and are similarly not comparable.Empires and Rising Sun both come with 40 Debt tokens, but the mechanic is not intended to be component-limited.
List of card-shaped things using Debt
Debt as a cost
Engineer
Mountain Shrine, Triumph
Daimyo
Annex, Artist, City Quarter, Continue, Donate, Overlord, Royal Blacksmith
Wedding
Fortune
Other sources of debt
- Craftsman, Imperial Envoy, Litter, and Root Cellar give when you play them.
- Change, Gold Mine, and Root Cellar can put you in debt when you play them.
- Capital does not incur debt when it is bought, but when it is cleaned up from play—in effect, allowing you to buy other things for instead of that turn.
- Credit allows you to gain a card and take corresponding to its cost in .
- Tax adds to any Supply pile when bought, and has a Setup rule where all Supply piles start with . When Tax is in the game, when you gain a card in your Buy phase, you take the on its pile.
- Mountain Pass is a Landmark where players bid for 8 , taking the they bid if they win.
- Harsh Winter gains the from piles when gaining cards during your turns, or adds to the pile if there was none. Note that unlike Tax, taking is not limited to the Buy phase.
Official Rules
- Having Debt tokens prevents a player from buying cards or Events; Debt tokens do nothing else (for example they have no effect at the end of the game).
- Buying a card or Event with in its cost gives the player that many Debt tokens.
- A player can remove Debt tokens at any point in their turn by paying per Debt token to remove it.
- Removing Debt does not use up a Buy [or an Action, and can be done multiple times in a turn. This does not let players play Treasures at any time.]
Examples |
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- amounts are something different from . Math involving amounts does not affect amounts.
- [Some cards look for a cost in a range.]
- Empires: is not "up to ." is not more than and is not more than ; both have something the other lacks.
Rising Sun: "Up to
means " , , , , or "; it does not include costs with in them.
- [Some cards compare costs.]
- Empires: An amount of and is only larger than another if both the and amounts are larger, or one is larger and one the same. Amounts that do not specify have , and amounts that do not specify have (including all previous Dominion card costs).
Rising Sun: A card costing
costs more than one costing , just like one costing costs more than one costing . However debt and are not comparable. With a card costing and a card costing , neither costs more than the other. does however cost more than ; there is an implicit in all pure costs, so costs the same amount of as , and more .
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- Players cannot just take Debt tokens for no reason.
- Players cannot overpay with Debt (for Dominion: Guilds cards).
- Debt tokens are not counter-limited; players should use a replacement if they run out.
Possession (from Dominion: Alchemy) now has errata that causes it to also give the Possessing player all Debt tokens the Possessed player would get.
Prior official rules (amended by the release of the Rising Sun expansion)
- A player removes Debt tokens in the player's Buy phase by paying per Debt token to remove it; this is done after playing Treasures, but can be done both before and after buying cards.
Gallery
Cost debt
Other uses of debt
Trivia
In other languages
- Finnish: Velka
- German: Schulden
- Polish: Dług
Preview
Secret History
Why are there no Debt attacks?
Why aren't there more cards that refer to debt?
Applications to past cards