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{{Infobox Card | {{Infobox Card | ||
|name = Philosopher's Stone | |name = Philosopher's Stone | ||
|cost = 3P | |cost = 3P | ||
|type1 = Treasure | |type1 = Treasure | ||
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|illustrator = Jacob Corn | |illustrator = Jacob Corn | ||
− | |text = | + | |text = Count your deck and discard pile.<br>+{{Cost|1}} per 5 cards total between them (round down). |
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− | '''Philosopher's Stone''' is a [[Treasure]] card from [[Alchemy]]. It | + | '''Philosopher's Stone''' is a [[Treasure]] card from [[Alchemy]]. It generates more {{Cost}} in huge, bulky decks. It does not count cards in your hand or in play. |
== FAQ == | == FAQ == | ||
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=== Other Rules clarifications === | === Other Rules clarifications === | ||
− | * | + | * It is sometimes possible to play multiple copies of Philosopher's Stone that give different amounts of {{Cost|}}. For example, if you have 20 cards in your deck and play this, it produces {{Cost|4}}. Then, you could play a {{Card|Crystal Ball}} (from {{Set|Prosperity|ed=2|Prosperity}}), which could cause you to reveal and play another copy of this. When you play the second copy, you would only have 19 cards in your deck, so it would only produce {{Cost|3}}. |
− | == Strategy | + | == Strategy == |
− | + | Philosopher's Stone is an extremely weak [[Kingdom]] [[Treasure]] that is almost never worth buying. You should only consider gaining it in exceptional cases where it has both an unusually low [[opportunity cost]] and a chance of actually generating significant {{Cost}}. Philosopher's Stone is easier to gain if you already have {{Card|Potion}} for another purpose or if you have a Treasure [[gainer]] like {{Card|Hero}} or {{Card|Tragic Hero}}, but even then the opportunity cost is usually still prohibitively high, as it's highly likely there are better targets for either effect. | |
− | + | In addition to its cost, the other main problem with Philosopher’s Stone is that its [[payload]] scales with the amount of your deck that you have not drawn, and that that scaling is relatively slow. The former means that Philosopher’s Stone works very poorly with [[engine]]s, for which an undrawn deck usually indicates unrealized potential. The latter means that Philosopher’s Stone compares poorly to alternatives, even mediocre ones such as {{Card|Gold}}. In order for Philosopher's Stone to be a good payload option, you would need to have a large deck with poor draw, since cards in play or in hand don't count for {{Cost}} with Philosopher's Stone. This is most likely in the case of a heavy [[slog]]. However, under these conditions it is often difficult to afford {{Cost|3|||P}} for Philosopher's Stone or to play it often enough to make it worthwhile. Therefore, you would additionally need to have some effect to help you find the Philosopher's Stone in your large deck: strong [[sifter|sifting]] effects (like {{Card|Warehouse}}) or [[topdeck]]ing effects (such as {{Card|Scavenger}}, {{Card|Herbalist}}, or {{Card|Harbinger}}) may work. Strong draw, which is usually the primary way to find and play important cards, is counterproductive in this case because it reduces the amount of {{Cost}} that Philosopher’s Stone generates. | |
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− | + | Rarely, it may be worth gaining Philosopher's Stone as a way to [[greening|score]] {{VP}}, most notably with {{Landmark|Keep}} or {{Landmark|Museum}}. In the case of {{Landmark|Keep}}, the presence of two additional [[Treasure]]s (in {{Card|Potion}} and Philosopher’s Stone) increases the total amount of {{VP}} available, and purchasing both a {{Card|Potion}} and Philosopher’s Stone may be a relatively cheap way to score {{VP|10}}. {{Landmark|Keep}} also tends to lead to large decks with lots of Treasures and therefore little deck control, which may make Philosopher’s Stone viable payload. | |
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== Versions == | == Versions == | ||
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! Print !! Digital !! Text !! Release !! Date | ! Print !! Digital !! Text !! Release !! Date | ||
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− | | {{ | + | | {{CardLangVersionImage|o=1}} || {{CardLangVersionImage|o=1|d=g}} || style="padding:0px 20px;"| When you play this, count your deck and discard pile. <br>Worth {{Cost|1}} per 5 cards total between them (rounded down). || Alchemy || May 2010 |
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− | | {{ | + | | {{CardLangVersionImage|o=2}} || {{CardLangVersionImage|d=s|o=2}} || When you play this, count your deck and discard pile.<br>Worth {{Cost|1}} per 5 cards total between them (round down). || Alchemy [[2016 Errata#Formatting_changes|(2018 printing)]] || December 2018 |
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+ | | {{CardLangVersionImage}} || {{CardLangVersionImage|d=s}} || Count your deck and discard pile.<br>+{{Cost|1}} per 5 cards total between them (round down). || Alchemy [[2022 Errata#anchor_Treasures|(2021 printing)]] || 2021 | ||
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===Other language versions=== | ===Other language versions=== | ||
{| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;" | {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center;" | ||
− | ! Language !! Name !! Print !! Digital !! Text | + | ! Language !! Name !! Print !! Digital !! Text !! Notes |
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− | !Chinese | + | !Chinese |
− | | 賢者之石 (pron. ''xiánzhě zhī shí'') || || || | + | | 賢者之石 (pron. ''xiánzhě zhī shí'') || || || || |
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− | !Czech | + | !Czech |
− | | Kámen mudrců || {{CardLangVersionImage|Czech}} || || | + | | Kámen mudrců || {{CardLangVersionImage|Czech}} || || Když zahraješ tuto kartu, sečti dohromady karty ve svém dobíracím a odkládacím balíčku.<br>Získáš {{Cost|1}} za každých 5 karet ve svých balíčcích (zaokrouhleno dolů). || |
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− | !Dutch | + | !Dutch |
− | | Steen der wijzen || || || | + | | Steen der wijzen || || || || |
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− | !Finnish | + | !Finnish |
− | | Viisasten kivi || || || | + | | Viisasten kivi || || || || |
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− | !French | + | !French |
− | | Pierre philosophale || || || | + | | Pierre philosophale || || || || |
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− | !German | + | !rowspan=2|German |
− | | Stein der Weisen || {{CardVersionImage|Philosopher's | + | | Stein der Weisen || {{CardVersionImage|Philosopher's StoneGerman2019rulebook|German language Philosopher's Stone 2019 by ASS}} || {{CardVersionImage|Philosopher's StoneGerman2019Digital|German language Philosopher's Stone 2021 from Shuffle iT}} || Wenn du diese Karte ausspielst, zähle die Karten deines Nachzieh- und deines Ablagestapels:<br>Wert {{Cost|1}} pro insgesamt 5 sich darin befindenden Karten (abgerundet). || (2019) |
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− | + | | Stein der Weisen || || {{CardLangVersionImage|German|d=1}} || Zähle die Karten in deinem Nachzieh­stapel und Ablage­stapel.<br>+{{Cost|1}} pro 5 Karten der Summe der beiden Stapel (abgerundet). || | |
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− | ! | + | !Italian |
− | | | + | | Pietra Filosofale || || || || |
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− | ! | + | !Japanese |
− | | | + | | 賢者の石 (pron. ''kenja no ishi'') || || || 山札と捨て札の合計枚数を数え、5枚(端数切り捨て)につき{{Cost|1}}。 || |
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− | !Spanish | + | !Polish |
− | | Piedra Filosofal || || || | + | | Kamień filozoficzny || || || || <small>Although Polish version is not released,<br>this name is referred to in Polish Dominion 2E rulebook.</small> |
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+ | !Russian | ||
+ | | Философский Камень<br>(pron. ''filosofskiy kamen''') || || {{CardLangVersionImage|DigitalRussian}} || Когда вы играете эту карту, посчитайте карты вашых колоды и сброса. Эта карта приносит {{Cost|1}} за каждые 5 карт суммы (с округлением вниз). || | ||
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+ | | Piedra Filosofal || {{CardLangVersionImage|Spanish}} || || Cuando la pongas en juego, cuenta las cartas que hay en tu mazo y en tu pila de descartes. +{{Cost|1}} por cada 5 cartas que tengas en total (redondeando hacia abajo). || | ||
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== Trivia == | == Trivia == | ||
[[Image:Philosophers_StoneArt.jpg|thumb|right|354px|Official card art.]] | [[Image:Philosophers_StoneArt.jpg|thumb|right|354px|Official card art.]] | ||
− | Philosopher's Stone is the only {{Cost|P}}-costing card that gives +{{Cost}}. | + | Philosopher's Stone is the only {{Cost||||P}}-costing card that gives +{{Cost}}. |
+ | === Preview === | ||
+ | {{Quote| | ||
+ | |Text= This one is tricky. You want to draw through your deck in order to play it more often. But when you play out that line of {{Card|Village}}s and {{Card|Smithy|Smithies}}, suddenly your cards aren't in your deck anymore, and Philosopher's Stone doesn't make you any money. You want ways to draw it more often that don't actually put cards into play or your hand. That sends you into the realm of underappreciated cards like {{Card|Chancellor}} and {{Card|Navigator}}. Or hey, {{Card|Herbalist}}. | ||
+ | |Name=[[Donald X. Vaccarino]] | ||
+ | |Source=[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=122.msg1166#msg1166 Dominion: Alchemy Preview] | ||
+ | }} | ||
=== Secret History === | === Secret History === | ||
{{Quote| | {{Quote| | ||
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=== Retrospective === | === Retrospective === | ||
{{Quote| | {{Quote| | ||
− | |Text=I could have swapped Philosopher's Stone with {{Card|Bank}}. Bank was originally in this set, and the only reason I took it out was because Alchemy got pushed ahead of [[Prosperity]], and Prosperity introduced treasures where the order of played treasures mattered. Philosopher's Stone did not quite require all of the rules that Bank did. But I could have sucked it up and had Bank anyway. It's a good fit for the set otherwise. And Philosopher's Stone, it is not such a slow card, but people sure think it is. | + | |Text=I could have swapped Philosopher's Stone with {{Card|Bank}}. {{Card|Bank}} was originally in this set, and the only reason I took it out was because Alchemy got pushed ahead of [[Prosperity]], and [[Prosperity]] introduced treasures where the order of played treasures mattered. Philosopher's Stone did not quite require all of the rules that {{Card|Bank}} did. But I could have sucked it up and had {{Card|Bank}} anyway. It's a good fit for the set otherwise. And Philosopher's Stone, it is not such a slow card, but people sure think it is. |
|Name=[[Donald X. Vaccarino]] | |Name=[[Donald X. Vaccarino]] | ||
|Source=[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3179.msg56362#msg56362 What Donald X. Might Do With a Dominion Time Machine] | |Source=[http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=3179.msg56362#msg56362 What Donald X. Might Do With a Dominion Time Machine] | ||
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{{Navbox Alchemy}} | {{Navbox Alchemy}} | ||
{{Navbox Cards}} | {{Navbox Cards}} | ||
+ | [[category:Alt Treasure]] | ||
+ | [[category:variable coin]] | ||
+ | [[category:likes slogs]] |
Latest revision as of 01:19, 10 June 2024
Philosopher's Stone | |
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Cost |
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Type(s) | Treasure |
Kingdom card? | Yes |
Set | Alchemy |
Illustrator(s) | Jacob Corn |
Card text | |
Count your deck and discard pile. + per 5 cards total between them (round down). |
Philosopher's Stone is a Treasure card from Alchemy. It generates more in huge, bulky decks. It does not count cards in your hand or in play.
Contents |
[edit] FAQ
[edit] Official FAQ
- When you play this, count the number of cards in your deck and discard pile combined, divide by 5, and round down. That is how many this produces for you.
- Once played, the amount of you got does not change even if the number of cards changes later in the turn.
- Make sure not to change the order of your deck when counting it; the order of your discard pile does not matter.
- You will get to look through your discard pile as you count it.
- You only count your deck and discard pile, not your hand or cards in play or set aside cards.
[edit] Other Rules clarifications
- It is sometimes possible to play multiple copies of Philosopher's Stone that give different amounts of . For example, if you have 20 cards in your deck and play this, it produces . Then, you could play a Crystal Ball (from Prosperity), which could cause you to reveal and play another copy of this. When you play the second copy, you would only have 19 cards in your deck, so it would only produce .
[edit] Strategy
Philosopher's Stone is an extremely weak Kingdom Treasure that is almost never worth buying. You should only consider gaining it in exceptional cases where it has both an unusually low opportunity cost and a chance of actually generating significant . Philosopher's Stone is easier to gain if you already have Potion for another purpose or if you have a Treasure gainer like Hero or Tragic Hero, but even then the opportunity cost is usually still prohibitively high, as it's highly likely there are better targets for either effect.
In addition to its cost, the other main problem with Philosopher’s Stone is that its payload scales with the amount of your deck that you have not drawn, and that that scaling is relatively slow. The former means that Philosopher’s Stone works very poorly with engines, for which an undrawn deck usually indicates unrealized potential. The latter means that Philosopher’s Stone compares poorly to alternatives, even mediocre ones such as Gold. In order for Philosopher's Stone to be a good payload option, you would need to have a large deck with poor draw, since cards in play or in hand don't count for with Philosopher's Stone. This is most likely in the case of a heavy slog. However, under these conditions it is often difficult to afford for Philosopher's Stone or to play it often enough to make it worthwhile. Therefore, you would additionally need to have some effect to help you find the Philosopher's Stone in your large deck: strong sifting effects (like Warehouse) or topdecking effects (such as Scavenger, Herbalist, or Harbinger) may work. Strong draw, which is usually the primary way to find and play important cards, is counterproductive in this case because it reduces the amount of that Philosopher’s Stone generates.
Rarely, it may be worth gaining Philosopher's Stone as a way to score , most notably with Keep or Museum. In the case of Keep, the presence of two additional Treasures (in Potion and Philosopher’s Stone) increases the total amount of available, and purchasing both a Potion and Philosopher’s Stone may be a relatively cheap way to score 10 . Keep also tends to lead to large decks with lots of Treasures and therefore little deck control, which may make Philosopher’s Stone viable payload.
[edit] Versions
[edit] English versions
Digital | Text | Release | Date | |
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When you play this, count your deck and discard pile. Worth per 5 cards total between them (rounded down). |
Alchemy | May 2010 | ||
When you play this, count your deck and discard pile. Worth per 5 cards total between them (round down). |
Alchemy (2018 printing) | December 2018 | ||
Count your deck and discard pile. + per 5 cards total between them (round down). |
Alchemy (2021 printing) | 2021 |
[edit] Other language versions
[edit] Trivia
Philosopher's Stone is the only
-costing card that gives +.[edit] Preview
[edit] Secret History
[edit] Retrospective