Philosopher's Stone

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Philosopher's Stone
Philosopher's Stone.jpg
Info
Cost Coin3.pngPotion.png
Type(s) Treasure
Kingdom card? Yes
Set AlchemyAlchemy icon.png
Illustrator(s) Jacob Corn
Card text
When you play this, count your deck and discard pile. Worth Coin1.png per 5 cards total between them (rounded down).

Philosopher's Stone is a Treasure card from Alchemy. It grows in value as the number of cards in your deck and discard increases, favoring huge, bulky decks. It does not count cards in your hand or in play and so favors a thick-deck, low-drawing strategy, differing from most other Alchemy cards.

Contents

[edit] FAQ

[edit] Official FAQ

  • This is a Treasure card. It is a Kingdom card; it will only be in games where it is randomly dealt out as one of the 10 Kingdom cards, or otherwise selected to be one of them.
  • It is played during your Buy phase, like other Treasure cards. When you play it, count the number of cards in your deck and discard pile combined, divide by 5, and round down. That is how many Coin.png this produces for you.
  • Once played, the amount of Coin.png you get does not change even if the number of cards changes later in the turn.
  • The next time you play it, count again.
  • If you play multiple copies, obviously the number will be the same for all of them.
  • It does not matter what order your discard pile is in, but the order your deck is in matters. Do not change that order while counting!
  • You will get to look through your discard pile as you count it.
  • You only count your deck and discard pile, not your hand or cards in play or set aside cards.
  • You cannot play more Treasures after buying something in your buy phase; so for example you cannot buy a card, then play Philosopher's Stone, then buy another card.

[edit] Other Rules clarifications

  • Since the release of Prosperity, it is actually possible to play multiple copies of Philosopher's Stone that give different amounts of Coin.png, in spite of the official FAQ. For example, if you have 20 cards in your deck and play this, it produces Coin4.png. Then, you could play a VentureVenture.jpg, which could reveal and play another copy of this. When you play the second copy, you would only have 19 cards in your deck, so it would only produce Coin3.png.

[edit] Strategy Article

There isn't a strategy article for Philosopher's Stone.

It's typically a pretty weak card, with a few exceptions:

[edit] Synergies/Combos

  • Combo: Philosopher's Stone and Herbalist: HerbalistHerbalist.jpg gives you the +Buy needed to bloat your deck to increase the value of your Philosopher's Stones (as well as to effectively spend all the money produced by high-value Philosopher's Stones). It also allows you to reuse the same PotionPotion.jpg to buy Philosopher's Stones for multiple turns, or to reuse the same Philosopher's Stone to buy Victory cards.
  • Sifters like CellarCellar.jpg and WarehouseWarehouse.jpg let you find your Philosopher's Stones and increase their value by discarding. StoreroomStoreroom.jpg is especially powerful with its +Buy for more coppers and second discard for coin
  • GoonsGoons.jpg: using up all your extra buys will be rewarded both by increasing the value of your Philosopher's Stones and by Goons giving you victory tokens. (However, this is only viable when there isn't an available engine strategy that can efficiently play multiple Goons per turn; Philosopher's Stone tends to be weak in a deck like that.)
  • BeggarBeggar.jpg
  • ScavengerScavenger.jpg: Playing Scavenger can allow you to consistently top-deck a Philosopher's Stone, which can often be worth enough to virtually guarantee getting a province the following turn.
  • HeroHero.jpg can gain Philosopher's Stones without having to get a Potion first.

[edit] Antisynergies

  • Philosopher's Stone works poorly with engines that involve drawing and playing large numbers of cards on a turn, since cards in hand and in the play area don't contribute to Philosopher's Stone's value. (Ironically, this means Philosopher's Stone works poorly with most Alchemy cards other than Herbalist.)

[edit] Versions

[edit] English versions

Print Digital Text Release Date
Philosopher's Stone Philosopher's Stone from Goko/Making Fun When you play this, count your deck and discard pile. Worth Coin1.png per 5 cards total between them (rounded down). Alchemy 1st Edition May 2010
Philosopher's Stone from Shuffle iT When you play this, count your deck and discard pile. Worth Coin1.png per 5 cards total between them (round down). Alchemy 2nd Edition physical set unreleased

[edit] Other language versions

Language Name Print Digital Text
Chinese 哲人石 (pron. zhérénshí)
Czech Kámen mudrců Czech language Philosopher's Stone
Dutch Steen der wijzen
Finnish Viisasten kivi
French Pierre philosophale
German Stein der Weisen German language Familiar
Italian Pietra Filosofale
Japanese 賢者の石 (pron. kenja no ishi) 山札と捨て札の合計枚数を数え、5枚(端数切り捨て)につきCoin1.png
Russian Философский Камень (pron. filosofoskiy kamen')
Spanish Piedra Filosofal

[edit] Trivia

Official card art.

Philosopher's Stone is the only Potion.png-costing card that gives +Coin.png.

[edit] Secret History

This started out as an action, "+1 Buy, +Coin1.png per 4 cards left in your deck." It was in the original Alchemy, but I considered it for the main set at one point (when Gardens moved there). Eventually I brought it back as a treasure. First it counted cards left in your deck. Some people don't like how huge the variance is on that though. I can make a card here and there like that, but not too many. I dropped it, then later brought it back with "put your deck into your discard pile" (and then it counted your discard pile). That still had high variance, a different way; you might draw it immediately after shuffling, which was a lot better than not drawing it immediately. Finally I changed it to how it is now. The random element is completely gone; it still isn't consistent, due to card-drawing and such, but that's your own problem.

[edit] Retrospective

I could have swapped Philosopher's Stone with BankBank.jpg. Bank was originally in this set, and the only reason I took it out was because Alchemy got pushed ahead of Prosperity, and Prosperity introduced treasures where the order of played treasures mattered. Philosopher's Stone did not quite require all of the rules that Bank did. But I could have sucked it up and had Bank anyway. It's a good fit for the set otherwise. And Philosopher's Stone, it is not such a slow card, but people sure think it is.


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